Sports – Barry Bonds hit No. 756 over the right-center field wall Tuesday night, and hammered home the point: Like him or not, legitimate or not, he is baseball's new home run king.
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This would have been much more exciting for me if someone I didn't think cheated to get there had done it.
Wait another five to ten years and you'll get to see someone else do it. Maybe someone who isn't suspect.
if you had been watching him hit his 755th home run you would have heard that the pitcher he hit it off of was suspended for steriods.
So for all of you computer geeks who have never thrown a ball or swung a bat, EVERYONE DOES STEROIDS!
How many pitches do you think hank aaron saw IN HIS LIFETIME that went 95 mph, let alone 3 foot curve balls going that fast?
it is not a problem isolated to the bohemoths like giambi and bonds, it is a prerequisite for atheletes who perform on the global level. if you think anything else than you have no idea the competitive capacity these guys are playing with. if you pulled every guy who has ever used steroids out of the league you would be lucky to have ten percent of the league left.
and hank aaron took 2,500 more at bats to hit his home runs! 2,500 hundred more at bats!
are you saying that if hank aaron took drugs, and still faced the ******ty pitchers back then... then HE would have hit 755 in 2,500 less at bats?!
this is nonsense.
most of this country is just a bunch of winers who can't play sports, so they bitch about barry bonds because they want to justify the lie to themselves when they say "if i had done drugs i would have been able to make varsity squad too."
no concept of atheletic competition.
''How many pitches do you think hank aaron saw IN HIS LIFETIME that went 95 mph''
I'm not sure why you think pitchers throw harder now. JR Richard in the 70's or early 80's threw the fastest clocked pitch[over 110 miles an hour] And Bob Feller was clocked unscientificly against a speeding motorcycle in the 50's, and beat it. He was said to throw around 100 regularly, and those that faced him and Lefty Grove of the 1930's, said the mean-spirited Grove threw harder.
I think the big fastball is like the big punch to a fighter, a natural gift. Afterall, could the right combination of steroids and work effort have made a Doug Jones or jamie Moyer throw 95?
Plus these young 19 and 20 year olds not even fully grown and filled out, beanpoles like Justin verlander, come up throwing 95-100...
''most of this country is just a bunch of winers''
you're right, most of the country is a bunch of drunks
i trhink the ways they clocked those balls is suspect.
clocking against a motorcycle isnt accurate even it were timed right since they clock pitches now at the plate and not off the arm, or averaged over the distance... its clocked at its slowest point is what im saying.
and yeah the right combination of steroids could definately make you throw harder... simple test boosts leg mass and mound pressure. all young pitchers do it. and the heavy science can absolutely enhance grib, spin, turn, and the rotator cuff. the stuff they use now physically changes the fibre content of a muscle to transform precision and stability muscles into fast twitch pwer muscles.
With or without steroids, Bonds would have never hit Sandy Koufax or Bob Gibson. In fact not one of today pitchers are even in the same class as Koufax and Gibson.
In fact the best pitcher in baseball today is considered to be Johan Santana and he couldn't even hold a candle to either Koufax or Gibson. I am from Minnesota and Santana is nothing but a two-pitch pitcher, a changeup and a fastball. He can't throw a curveball and when he attempts to throw a slider, its much less than mediocre at best; whereas, Koufax threw harder, had a tremendous curveball and a much better changeup than Santana. Doesn't say too much for pitching these days especially when Santana has already won 2 Cy Youngs and should have won 3 in a row.
You got good points. I was into baseball in the 50's and 60's when Aaron was around.
He faced some fair pitchers. Do the names Koufax, Drysdale, Burdette, Spahn, Sutton, Marichal, etc ring any bells.
Those guys all could pitch and especially Koufax was known for a 100mph curve ball that broke 2-3 feet. You look at him, or any of them in later life, and you can see they never did steroids. You want a comparison look at Mark McGuire only several years out of the game and you see the effects on the body of no longer taking the steroids.
I believe the truth about Bonds will come in 20 years when you look at his body. You can't hide the fact of steroid use in prior years at that time.
The pitchers were better back then, the parks were a lot larger, further to hit a home run back then, made them smaller cause fans like to see homers,and maybe space,they play longer seasons now who knows, in my opine, Bonds has no record in my eyes, except the amazing expanding hat size, besides he has and always will be an arrogant sob.
Yeah "maybe" he couldn't hit off all those guys, but he hasn't hit off of a lot of people. He didn't hit a homer off everyone he faced.
I agree with you. But until it is proven, he is innocent. It amazes though that because his body type has changed, he's doing steriods. Is Barry Bonds the only African American player whose body type has changed during his career? Magic Johnson got bigger and heavier as he got older but no one accused him of using steriods. And these pitchers (I heard more than one was using steriods) who pitched to Bonds, has anyone accused them of tainting Bonds' record? And the media amazes me. Because Bonds won't speak to them, they put words in his mouth and make up things. Which is the reason he doesn't talk to them anymore. Bonds has said that he's saying no comment because the media prints what it wants no matter what he says. And the kicker, has anyone including the media ever stop to think what this talk does to his family, especially his kids? No one cares for the truth, just what sells stories and news items.
If he were clean, I bet he would submit to a test. That's just my opinion. His refusal infers he has something to hide.
Definitely not the kind of 'hero' I want my children idolizing. Even IF he is clean, he is so rude, condescending and arrogant that he is not a suitable role model for anyone.
He didn't face Burdette and Spahn. He was on the same team they were.
OK apparently the fastest documented clocked pitch was 103, from a few sources.
I always heard JR Richard threw one 111, but there's apparently no documentatiom
Such arrogance Santa! Most of those who play sports, either for pay or pleasure, do not find it necessary to use drugs to enhance their abilities. They play the sport because they enjoy the competition and because they enjoy simply doing so and I would venture to say that they are far better individuals than you could ever be!
are you serious?
these guys are being paid millions of dollars for atheletics... of course they use steroids. they would be bad at their jobs if they didn't. the ability to hit a ball 20 feet further means millions of dollars on a contract. why wouldnt you take a few orals or a rub?
its so naive to think these guys have never misused medication to benefit their ability to play the game.
No matter what you do in life, go ahead and cheat, get the extra 20 points on the test, get the job over a more qualified person. Cheating, shaving points all for the sake of gaining unfair advantage. What a role model you are, no wonder kids don't believe in Santa any more.
No skippy it isn't naive to state what is clearly a fact! The majority of those who play sports do so for the love of the game and neither use drugs nor have any desire to do so.
You claim the opposite is true, but you offer nothing to support your claim other than they make millions of dollars annually. While it is true that some major league baseball players make such sums the majority make far less and if you look at the minors they make far less than that! The same applies to all of the other major sports leagues. Then there are the tens of thousands who play college and high school ball and the millions who simply get together for scratch games on any given week night or weekend.
It seems that as far as you are concerned any form of cheating is permissible if that is what it takes to win and all I can say is that I thank the gods that be that you and your ilk are a very small minority!
you are an idiot...the fact that Hank in his day didn't do steroids and I can think of some mighty fine pitchers back then who didn't as well Ford, Kofax to name just a couple is beyond your intelligence. Get a life!!!!!
He uses drugs, they use drugs, why bother playing anything unless you got some iv dripped drugs into you 24/7.
Barry Bonds couldn't have hit off the guys Hank Aaron faced. Like Whitey Ford who pitched 111 MPH. If Bonds didn't do Steroids he'd be lucky to have 300 HR right now. And not all atheletes are on steroids, I have a lot of close friends who are Professional Atheletes and they don't take steroids and think it is giving sports a bad name and all the atheletes who take them should be kicked out of professional sports because their messing it up for the people who have real talent... unlike BONDS.
Forgot about Ford. Add him to the list of Gibson, Feller, Koufax, and Drysdale, and the fact that for much of the time Hank played spitballs were permitted.
and don't forget that the strike zone has shrunk over the years, by all accounts, and the mound was higher, and there were less teams and that means less watered-down pitching.[fewer pitching spots means only the best of the day pitched]
The number of games per year has increased and the balls have been suspected of being "juiced" up for more home runs to create fan excitement. It's a different ball game today with the intention of giving the hitters the advantage so more runs can be scored. Ruth was said to be on the juice but it wasn't steroids, it was booze. It's a wonder he could hit the ball at all.
spitballs were outlawed years before any of those except Feller played and Feller retired long before Aaron started playing.
You are right to forget about Ford. He pitched for the Yankees in the American League and Aaron's career was all national league.
'' If Bonds didn't do Steroids he'd be lucky to have 300 HR right now.''
skinny Pittsburgh Bonds had 2 30 homer seasons...
10 years of 30 homers equals 300
Bonds has played for over 20 years.
a rate of 15 homers a season equals 300
Bonds woulda been a 500 homer club 2 or 3 time MVP without steroids, as well as having a buncha gold gloves
Bonds is a very good player. To have played as long as he has and had the success that he has is without question the sign of a gifted athlete.
Do I believe that he has used steroids over the past several years? Yes.
However, the fact remains that even without the performance enhancers he is a great athlete who has insane natural talent. Anyone that can hit a baseball at all, no matter how far, has a talent that 99.99% of the rest of us can only imagine.
I give Bonds his props now, because the reality is in 10 years or so Alex Rodriguez will be passing Bond's record. Heck, if Ken Griffey Jr. can stay healthy he still has an outside chance of passing Bond's record.
Get you Head out of your AZZ, Steriods don't make you super human to hit home runs. What,,,lol,,, does it make your vision better? Or make you coordinated?.
They just make your muscles recover faster from being beat, injured , and sore.
Like " NATURAL" Andro Max which is not an Anobolic Steroid.
if you know guys in teh NFL or MLB and they claim that they have NEVER taken steroids, (not DONT take steroids, NEVER taken steroids)... then one of three things is true... they suck and will have a carear of just over one season, they are liars, or they are freaks of nature.
i agree that there are freaks of nature. i have known a few myself. Starting World Series winners in fact. but rare would not begin to describe how common that is.
there aer freaks of nature... but you need to be a freak of nature to even have the skill to play with these guys these days... and if you have spent the time around world class atheletes that you claim too then you would know that.
P.s. in my experience, most atheletes are liars. they've juiced a cycle or two and spend the rest of their life denying it.
mwkusa, your an idiot. Bonds is one of the best hitters there ever was and almost all the MLB's major players have agreed. If Bonds wasn't a good player, then he probably wouldnt have 756 hits much less home runs. Did you see his homer? 3-2 count. just to get to a 3-2 is tough but to hit a homer off it takes talent, unlike your friends.
Anyone ever talk about the juiced up pitchers? Or the pitchers that get surgery's to tighten up their arms? What are the pictures taking to throw the ball 110 mph?
Bonds deserves respect for the record.
nobody throws a 110 now. Houston Astro JR Richard did in the 70's.
I haven't seen or heard of a pitch faster than 105 since then.
I remember Josh Beckett breaking 100 after knocking Sosa down on the way to a WS Championship. I saw Bartolo Colon in person break 100 for the Indians in Pittsburgh. And that hurt dude for the Tigers was throwing 102-103 last year in the playoffs. Joel Zumaya, I think.
Sandy Koufax became a legend only AFTER his catcher told him he didn't have to throw the ball so hard.
Tom Glavine won his 300th game-top speed-87
the best pitcher of the last couple few years, Santana, doesn't reach 95 and doesn't hit 90 that often. His out pitch is the change up
They say you can't throw a ball too fast for a MLB player to catch up to if he knows its comin, but you can make him look like a horse's ass by changing speeds
control and guile will always be the best friend a pitcher has-cept for the double play, of course
OK again, I heard JR Richard threw one 111, but there's no documentation
The fastest documented clock pitch is said to be 103, from a few sites I checked on
He doesn't deserve anything, pretty amazing a guy tho that is in there 20 yrs, never hits more than 50 homers a year, and then suddenly at about age 38, when one would suspect that an athletes talents would be on the decline, he miraculousy not only maintains his level, he increases it to beyond anything that it ever was.....give me a break...at his rate of improvement, he should be hitting about 125 homers a season when he is 70....and his head can substitute as the goodyear blimp by then as well.
Maybe it's not steroids that have bulked him up ... maybe it's just his super-inflaged ego! : )
Not, under any circumstances, is this joker a hero. Whether he's juiced or not, he's a jerk to the fans, press, etc. How about some common decency and graciousness? Perhaps he could take a lesson in grace from Mr. Aaron.
Bonds can earn my respect by turning in a negative steroid test. As could anyone else who seems to have an issue with juicing. But you know, after the arrogant, condescending and disrespectful way Bonds treats people, a negative test might not be quite enough for him to earn my respect.
mwkusa : Whitey Ford 111mph? Where do u get your stats from. Its never been done before. Infact they didnt even have radar dectors when he played.....
the fastest pitch on record in the majors during play is 104mph
111 miles per hour is pure science fiction. Besides, Whitey Ford was famous for throwing curveballs anyway.
"Barry Bonds couldn't have hit off the guys Hank Aaron faced." So you know for a fact Barry couldn't hit off these guys! So nobody got a hit then?
... and where is guaranty that Aaron was not on some kind of stimulative and even on steroids? That time steroids was not common as now, or even players was not tested as they are doing now...
"How many pitches do you think hank aaron saw IN HIS LIFETIME that went 95 mph, let alone 3 foot curve balls going that fast?"
Since he faced Koufax, Drysdale, Gibson, and Feller, quite a few. He and Ruth also played in eras where the spitball was permitted. And they both won WS titles. Bonds will never be in a league with them.
their spedometers were wrong. they measured the ball out of the hand or averaged over the distance... not measured the speed over the plate like they do now. and these guys are pitching 95 curve balls that move past the width of the plate. 3 and four pitchers a game means your seeing heat through the 9th inning...
its a totally different game. nothing against your era my friend... great atheletes for their time period. but it is the way of the world, atheletes get better as time goes on. bonds is playing in a league that dwarfs aarons. these pitchers have rotator cuff strengthners and rubs that turn their slow twitch fibers into spinnign machines... its uncomparable...
its nonsense to even think other wise.
Who has a 95mph curveball?
Koufax was the only one to ever have that kind of a curve ball. Of course his elbow gave out long before he could set career records that would have easily been his.
Believe it or not, Nolan Ryan had that kind of curve early in his carrer. I remember seeing a video from the '69 Series. Ryan threw a devastating curve to Paul Blair (I think it was). His knees darn near buckeled seeing that ball headed for his head before it broke. Nolan Ryan was a wicked pitcher.
But he had so-so control Bill.
You are correct, which would make that curve ball a very scary prospect for any batter he faced.
Don't forget the younger crop of 300 game winners like Seaver, Ryan, Sutton, and a host of other "lesser" pitchers like Jerry Koosman, etc.
If anything your rant shows it is that the caliber of pitchers and pitching has declined since Hank Arron's day. What Arron did he did with his raw natural ability and skill, not because he felt it necessary to boost his skills with performance enhancing drugs
There are clean athletes playing in major league sports and I would go so far as to say that a majority of the players are that way!
I am certain that had Bonds not resorted to using steroids he would be damned lucky to have hit 500 HR's!
"So for all of you computer geeks who have never thrown a ball or swung a bat, EVERYONE DOES STEROIDS!"
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For a start, that is an unqualified, assinine statement to make and absolutely untrue. EVERYONE does NOT use steroids!
So is it your opinion that using anabolic steroids is acceptable?
Did you/do you use them?
In your opinion what is the difference between using steroids and shooting dope in your arm?
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"How many pitches do you think hank aaron saw IN HIS LIFETIME that went 95 mph, let alone 3 foot curve balls going that fast?"
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I don't know about where you live as I can only speak for myself. There was a guy in my High School graduating class who at the ripe old age of 17 was throwing a consistent 92 mph fastball (clocked), and on occasion he went slightly higher than that. He also had a devastating curveball, and knew all the old school pitches: knuckle, slider, screwball and sinker. No one in the entire area could touch him.